i do not know actually anything about pulse's position regarding illegal immigrants but since this organisation is a socialist one, i hope that the principle of humanity is stressed on this issue. we should remember that we are a country who signed the Geneva Convention for refugees and even ratified the refugees act that even provide policy and information regarding asylum seekers.
as a personal note, please stop using the phrase "illegal immigrants" since these people left all their belongings to find a new better life because of the persecutions they face in their homecountry. we can use titles like "asylum seekers" or "undocumented persons". keep in mind that i am no friend of euphemisms, since i like to be objective and tell the actual reality how it is. but the implications these titles (illegal immgirants) carry increase the racism culture in Malta. we should make an effort to eliminate the Maltese Xenophobia so that finally we can eliminate racism.
If a person arrives in a country without any documentation he is deemed illegal irrespective of the cause. Therefore I find nothing wrong in such terminology. Having said that, I would like to point out that I am no racist but a racialist. I am aware of the distinctivness and differences between races and I work to preserve those differences. After all these differences are what make Europeans Europeans, Africans Africans, Asians Asians, etc. These differences do not necessarily imply that a race is superior to another one. And I wish to stress that I am AGAINST any form of violence. I don't just go around with a gun in my pocket and shoot a person just because he is black (which by the way, is what blacks do in the States and is also spreading to northern Europe). We can live together by keeping our territory and boundaries.
I still do not understand why generally, the Leftist parties approve of Multicultarism. Why should my culture, traditions and my identity as a Maltese and European be threatened by people from other races? I have posted an article regarding Christmas in these fora. The politically correct Left socialist parties have decided to ban the name and call it Winterfest because it is offensive to Muslims. And in Britian, the story we used to enjoy as children 'The Three Little Pigs' is banned from schools because it is offensive to Islam. Down with all this political correctness! Why should we change our own home to accomodate strangers? This is insanity. This culture clash is all courtsey of the liberal Leftist parties who approve of a multiracial society, which goes against all nature's principles. Then we complain of racism and xenophobia.
I would like to pose a question if you don't mind. Why should we responsible for such people? I don't care what the Geneva convention says and all the other BS. Malta is OURS and nobody should interfere with what we do and how we live. It is understandable that the majority of people do not want these immigrants, so why impose these laws them? This thing doesn't happen in Malta alone but in all other countries. Even in Africa. Try going to South Africa and Rhodesia and you'll see how they'll treat you. If they really need to find a better life they can travel to neighbouring African countries. I mean, Africa is big enough to hold all of them. It has a landmass greater than Europe. This fixation with coming to Europe is unexplainable. Africa has got everything: diamonds, gems, oil, metals, raw materials. You name it! And then these people come over and DEMAND ARROGANTLY food, water, clothes, money and accomodation! These people have enough thousands of liri to make a trip and then they want to make us believe that they are just escaping from their country?! Have you seen the way the police and armed forces are treated? These blacks spit on their faces, throw them hot plates of food which most people in Malta don't even afford, they burn down twice their accomodation homes, etc. AND the most vile offense: they demand the right to live here, get social benefits without paying one bloody cent. We will be paying Lm3 million towards these illegals. And the Maltese worker breaks his back to get home just enough money to feed and clothe his family.
I think I will stop here for now, but I could go on for ages. By the way, thanks for replying to this thread. After months waiting for someone to answer me I finally found a person who is interested in discussing Malta's REAL problems.
MALTA GHALL-MALTIN! MALTA L-EWWEL U QABEL KOLLOX!
Per la Patria!
National Socialist
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"I know of no better life purpose than to perish in attempting the great and the impossible..."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
ilna ma nitkellmu naqra f'dan il-forum. Jien ghidt forsi nergghu nibdew naghtu hajjja billi niddiskutu issues mill-iktar importanti ghal pajjizna. L-immigrazzjoni Illegali. X'tahsbu fuqha ghid? Ghandna nghinuhom lil dawn in-nies? Jew forsi ghandna nghidu DAQSHEKK u nibaghtuhom lura? (kif qed jipproponi xi hadd li minghalih bravu, insomma spicca l-qorti talli hu bravu!)
Nispera li allinqas xi hadd jirrispondi forsi nibdew diskussjoni serja.
Jien nirrikonoxxi li pajjizna ghandu bzonn jghid ISSA DAQSHEKK darba ghal dejjem (xi haga li messna ilna li ghamilniha!) Pero nahseb li l-immigranti irregolari li jaslu Malta ghadna nghinuhom galadarba dahlu (jew dahhalnihom) Malta. Ma naqbilx mal-politika ta' detenzjoni ghal tul hafna ta' zmien. Kuntent li hemm xi pajjizi bhall-Olanda li qed jifhmu l-pozizzjoni taghna. Ghalkemm l-Olanda se jiehdu FTIT refugjati minn taghna, pero xorta huwa pass. J'alla jkun hemm pajjizi li jaghmlu l-istess.
Pero din il-problema mhix taghna biss imma tad-dinja kollha, ghaldaqstant ma nistghux nimmaginaw li nistghu insolvuha ahna wahedna. Nemmen li nistghu naghmlu ferm iktar pressjoni milli qed naghmlu barra minn Malta, jew nitkellmu ma' pajjizi ohra bl-istess problema biex flimkien naghmlu pressjoni li tkun ikbar u iktar effettiva. nahseb li l-uniku mod kif nistghu neghlbu dil-problema huwa billi ma nkunux egoisti (mhux bhala Maltin, imma l-bhala bnedmin ingenerali) u nghinu lil dawn il-pajjizi biex ikollhom hajja ahjar u ma jkollhomx ghalfejn ifittxu hajja f'pajjiz iehor. Ma jistghax ikun li nhallu dawk il-miljuni ta' nies imutu kuljum minghajr ma nithajru naghmlu xi haga. Jekk irridu, nistghu insolvu kollox, Ghandna l-mezzi u r-rizorsi. Filfatt minn hawn ippermettuli naghmel reklam lill-kampanja li ghaddejja anke f'Malta STOPOVERTY u nghid proset lil kull min hu nvolut fiha. Ahna tal-Pulse qed nghinu wkoll.
Fl-ahharnett, hemm bzonn li tihrax il-kampanja kontra persuni li qed ixerrdu ideat razzisti f'dal pajjiz. Hemm bzonn li inwaqqfu lil dawn in-nies ghax lil min qed ibaghti, nghinuh irridu u mhux insawwtuh b'ilsienna! Hope that will satisfy your tastes national socialist!
Jien nirrikonoxxi li pajjizna ghandu bzonn jghid ISSA DAQSHEKK darba ghal dejjem (xi haga li messna ilna li ghamilniha!) Pero nahseb li l-immigranti irregolari li jaslu Malta ghadna nghinuhom galadarba dahlu (jew dahhalnihom) Malta. Ma naqbilx mal-politika ta' detenzjoni ghal tul hafna ta' zmien.
Minn naħa qed tgħid "issa daqshekk" u minn naħa l-oħra qed tgħid li rridu nieħdu ħsiebhom la daħħalnihom hawn. M'għadekx kif għidt li "issa daqshekk"? Din hija kontradizzjoni ċara. Jew ħaġa jew oħra. Jien ma naqbilx mal-politika ta' detenzjoni għal żewġ raġunijiet sempliċi.
1. Din qed tkun ta' piż għalina l-Maltin. 2. Mhux sewwa li persuna tinqafel ġewwa b'dak il-mod.
Kuntent li hemm xi pajjizi bhall-Olanda li qed jifhmu l-pozizzjoni taghna. Ghalkemm l-Olanda se jiehdu FTIT refugjati minn taghna, pero xorta huwa pass. J'alla jkun hemm pajjizi li jaghmlu l-istess.
Allura ħa jkollna nistennew u nitkarrbu għall-karità?
Pero din il-problema mhix taghna biss imma tad-dinja kollha, ghaldaqstant ma nistghux nimmaginaw li nistghu insolvuha ahna wahedna. Nemmen li nistghu naghmlu ferm iktar pressjoni milli qed naghmlu barra minn Malta, jew nitkellmu ma' pajjizi ohra bl-istess problema biex flimkien naghmlu pressjoni li tkun ikbar u iktar effettiva. nahseb li l-uniku mod kif nistghu neghlbu dil-problema huwa billi ma nkunux egoisti (mhux bhala Maltin, imma l-bhala bnedmin ingenerali) u nghinu lil dawn il-pajjizi biex ikollhom hajja ahjar u ma jkollhomx ghalfejn ifittxu hajja f'pajjiz iehor. Ma jistghax ikun li nhallu dawk il-miljuni ta' nies imutu kuljum minghajr ma nithajru naghmlu xi haga. Jekk irridu, nistghu insolvu kollox, Ghandna l-mezzi u r-rizorsi. Filfatt minn hawn ippermettuli naghmel reklam lill-kampanja li ghaddejja anke f'Malta STOPOVERTY u nghid proset lil kull min hu nvolut fiha. Ahna tal-Pulse qed nghinu wkoll.
Naqbel. Din il-problema tidher li tista' tiġi solvuta b'mod sempliċi. U għaliex qed ngħid li tidher? Għax jien bil-wisq naħseb li dawn l-immigranti jibqgħu jiġu fl-Ewropa anki jekk il-pożizzjoni f'pajjiżhom titjieb. Qed ngħixu f'soċjetà liberalista li fetħet il-fruntieri kollha u bħal meta tħalli l-bieb miftuħ bil-lejl, tkun qed tistieden il-gwaj b'idejk.
Avolja, xorta naħseb li l-pajjiżi l-kbar għandhom jaraw li ssir ġustizzja fejn jidħol kummerċ ma' dawn il-pajjiżi, kif ukoll jaraw kif jagħmlu biex imewwtu lil dawn il-kumpaniji multinazzjonali li qed ikunu ta' dannu għalina (għax ma jagħtuniex xogħol bi preferenza għall-ħaddiema rħas) u għall-pajjiżi fejn joperaw (jixorbu r-riżorsi, u agħar minn hekk, iħallsu l-ħaddiema bir-raċanċ filwaqt li ma jistmawhomx).
Fl-ahharnett, hemm bzonn li tihrax il-kampanja kontra persuni li qed ixerrdu ideat razzisti f'dal pajjiz. Hemm bzonn li inwaqqfu lil dawn in-nies ghax lil min qed ibaghti, nghinuh irridu u mhux insawwtuh b'ilsienna! Hope that will satisfy your tastes national socialist!
Jiena wieħed li ma naqbilx mar-razzismu, imma fl-istess ħin wieħed li għandi naqra sens komun. Sfortunatament pajjiżna sar maqsum minn dawk li fuq naħa jgħajtu b'ħanġra daqsiex "Razzisti" li jiddettaw kollox kif iridu huma, u tan-naħa l-oħra jgħajtu "Tradituri".
Din li min ibati irridu ngħinuh ma nistax nifhimha. Jekk qatt ma qal xejn tajjeb Bono tal-U2, kien qal dal-preċiżi kelmiet: We are not looking for charity, we're looking for justice. Il-ġustizzja mhux għajnuna imma dritt fundamentali ta' kulħadd. Jiġifieri, filwaqt li nifhem li hemm persuni li għandhom problemi, ma nistax nifhem għala jien għandi indaħħal idejja fil-but kif ukoll naqsam pajjiżi ma dawn in-nies. Issa jkunu min huma, Ingliżi, Russi, Rumeni, Afrikani, ma tgħamilx differenza. Bil-problemi li għandna Malta ma nistgħux ninħlew ngħinu 'l oħrajn u nilgħabuha tas-samaritani t-tajba kif iridu jagħmlu l-gvern, l-oppożizzjoni u l-knisja. Hemm għalfejn nagħtuhom dawk il-benefiċċji kollha (kards għaċ-ċellulari, flus għat-trasport, apparti flus għalihom) lil dawn in-nies avolja ma jħallsux ċenteżmu? Minbarra hekk, il-gvern qed jara x'jagħmel biex jagħtihom xogħol ukoll ħa jkomplu jżidu l-flus. Mela s-7% ħaddiema qegħda Maltin mhux importanti?! Jien la nieħu ċenteżmu mill-gvern u qas sabli xogħol. Mhux talli hekk, talli l-ftit li ħdimt das-sajf ra kif xorobli ma nafx kemm il-lira taxxa (li ovvjament marru fil-bir tas-skieken).
Hekk sew allura?
Is-Sliem
N.S.
-- Edited by National_Socialist at 14:31, 2005-09-11
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"I know of no better life purpose than to perish in attempting the great and the impossible..."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
Ikolli nghid li ma nafx kif tista tasal biex ma tifhimx certi affarijiet semplici! Mela: meta jien ghidt ISSA DAQSHEKK, dan ifisser li b'xi mod ghandna naraw kif ma nzidux l-influss ta' klandestini, ma nzidux il-piz. Pero dawn li hawn go Malta diga, BILFORS li ghandna nghinuhom. Ma nafx fejn rajt kontradizzjoni!
Il-fatt li hija haga tajba li l-olanda se jiehdu XI refugjati minn hawn ma jfissirx li irridu nittalbu ghall-karita bla bla bla! Dan jikkonferma dak li ghidt jien li din il-problema ma nistghu qatt insolvuha ahna wahedna! Int ghidt li jekk nirrengaw is-sitwazzjoni f'pajjizhom, xorta jibqghulna hawn. Skuzi ta, jekk is-sitwazzjoni f'pajjizhom tkun wahda stabbli u tajba, dawn ikunu jistghu jintbaghtu lura hemm. Bhalissa, ma jintbaghtux lura ghax joqtluhom, imma jekk jitrengaw l-affarijiet, hemm nimxu pass 'il quddiem.
int ghidt li ma tistax tifhem ghala ghandna nghinu lil min qed ibaghti. Hawn mhux se nirrispondeik ghax din hija kwistjoni ta x'temmen iktar milli x'tifhem. Kwistjoni ta' principju. Nemmen li IVA ghandna nghinu lil min qed ibaghti, ovvjament, L-ewwel Malta imma xorta bil-limitazzjonijiet taghna nistghu nghinu. Ghajnuna ma tfissirx biss finanzjarja ta! Nistghu kif ghidt qabel, naghmlu pressjoni fuq min hu iktar sinjur minna, b'hekk nghinu lil min qed ibaghti u wara llox, nehilsu minn din il-problema ahna wkoll!
Jien nirrikonoxxi li pajjizna ghandu bzonn jghid ISSA DAQSHEKK darba ghal dejjem (xi haga li messna ilna li ghamilniha!) Pero nahseb li l-immigranti irregolari li jaslu Malta ghadna nghinuhom
Ħeq jekk tgħid issa daqshekk u ma taċċettax iktar, ma għandekx tgħin lil min jiġi Malta - mhux hekk?
Il-fatt li hija haga tajba li l-olanda se jiehdu XI refugjati minn hawn ma jfissirx li irridu nittalbu ghall-karita bla bla bla! Dan jikkonferma dak li ghidt jien li din il-problema ma nistghu qatt insolvuha ahna wahedna! Int ghidt li jekk nirrengaw is-sitwazzjoni f'pajjizhom, xorta jibqghulna hawn. Skuzi ta, jekk is-sitwazzjoni f'pajjizhom tkun wahda stabbli u tajba, dawn ikunu jistghu jintbaghtu lura hemm. Bhalissa, ma jintbaghtux lura ghax joqtluhom, imma jekk jitrengaw l-affarijiet, hemm nimxu pass 'il quddiem.
U żgur li ma nistgħux insolvuha waħidna din il-problema. Jien mhux qed ninnega dan il-fatt. Inti tgħdi li jekk jintbatu lura jinqatlu- din hija diskutibbli ħafna għax ħafna minnhom ma jaħarbux sforz il-persekuzzjoni kif iridu jbellugħa lin-nies. Jiena il-biża' tiegħi hi waħda: li avolja is-sitwazzjoni f'pajjiżhom tkun tajba xorta jiġu hawn. Il-politika liberali li qed tħaddan id-dinja, bl-inklużjoni ta' kollox u kulħadd, bis-suppost multikulturaliżmu, tista' tinsa li dawn xi darba għad jintbatu lura, avolja jkollhom il-ġenna ta' l-art f'pajjiżhom. Il-problema per se, mhux il-fatt li jiġu l-immigranti (għax dak huwa fenomenu li jibqa'), iżda l-politika li qed inmexxu biha.
int ghidt li ma tistax tifhem ghala ghandna nghinu lil min qed ibaghti. Hawn mhux se nirrispondeik ghax din hija kwistjoni ta x'temmen iktar milli x'tifhem. Kwistjoni ta' principju. Nemmen li IVA ghandna nghinu lil min qed ibaghti, ovvjament, L-ewwel Malta imma xorta bil-limitazzjonijiet taghna nistghu nghinu. Ghajnuna ma tfissirx biss finanzjarja ta! Nistghu kif ghidt qabel, naghmlu pressjoni fuq min hu iktar sinjur minna, b'hekk nghinu lil min qed ibaghti u wara llox, nehilsu minn din il-problema ahna wkoll!
Aħjar tgħallem bniedem kif jistad milli tagħtih ħuta. Bl-għajnuna finanzjarja ma jsir xejn. Ara kemm jagħtu flus lill-pajjiżi u x'sar? Xejn! Din hija essenzjalment problema kbira. Il-punent (aqra l-G8 b'mod speċjali l-USA) għandu wisq interessi (armi, kumpaniji multinazzjonali) u allura ma jaqbillux jieħu ċerti miżuri. Minn naħa tagħhom, dawn il-pajjiżi Afrikani huma mmexxija minn gvernijiet korrotti li jgħixu fil-lussu u jkissru lil nieshom. U dik hija r-raġuni għala ma nemminx fil-karità. Jekk l-affarjiet għandhom isiru kif suppost, ma jkunx hemm bżonn ta' karità.
Is-Sliem,
N.S.
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"I know of no better life purpose than to perish in attempting the great and the impossible..."
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
Mela nies, 
Ghandna nghinuhom lil dawn in-nies? Jew forsi ghandna nghidu DAQSHEKK u nibaghtuhom lura? (kif qed jipproponi xi hadd li minghalih bravu, insomma spicca l-qorti talli hu bravu!)
